I also shot 86. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. I think those numbers are a little high. 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. A good drive might only yield 250 and that isnt exciting. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. For as long as I can remember Vokey have been the top wedge brand in golf. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. I know I hit the ball a long way though. ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE Required fields are marked *. Even when playing from the green tees at Torrey Pine South, the AMA is left with 165 yards for his approach shot. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 2023 HSBC Women's World Championship (Mar 02 - 05), Byron Morgan best for your balls DH89 & the elusive DBCM 8802, TWO PUTTERS - ONE POST. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph., The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? Learn how your comment data is processed. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. They make me giddy and want to practice my short game all the time. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. IF a smaller easier course with less hazards I will play from blue but I am having a ton of fun and scoring between 90 and 97 consistently every time with an average drive of around 220 yards. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. Launch Angle 11.28 In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. I grabbed the 46 degree to see if I could finally be that 3 wedge Vokey golfer, it was so good I asked for an entire iron set of Vokeys. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. Hi I have always had an out to in swing until recent. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I have the occasional outlier above 250 but thats rare. Obviously not. Add That Little Extra Limited is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees (at no cost to you) by linking to Amazon.com. The data results given in this article are completely skewed. why you did not work that out or your friends did not suggest it I dont know. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. As far as a Trackman goes.I've used it once. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. I appreciate your thoughts, great article. Despite the slight changes SM9 still looks very much like a Vokey should and thats what I like about these heads. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. And this is about DJs average big drive when he swings harder, at around 125 mph. I think this is very interesting but misleading. I then picked up the lob wedge, historically as a two wedge player I need high versatility with this club as it is 6 degrees more lofted than my 52. Ball Speed 176.38 Carry Distance 302.9 I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. STEAL THESE FROM ME! Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. There is no age or nationality restriction for the AMA. How many times do you see TV reporting driving distance on an uphill into the wind hole? Upload or insert images from URL. I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. I appreciate that. Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. Dear Claeys, We highly recommend you to visit a TrackMan coach or fitter close to you, as there are many individual aspects to your question. If it's a longer hole, I'll play the driver. That's what I think. The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] [/quote] I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. WebPGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. In the lower lofted wedges (46-52) at address the club sits squarer, the leading edge looks to be straighter and less rounded at the top of the toe. It's the short game. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. This demonstrates that without changing technique and only changing strategy, the AMA can improve their performance. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. [/quote] I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. The SM9s are an evolution of the Vokeys but not a drastic change, youll notice a difference between these and the SM6s but only a subtle change from the SM8s. SM5 53, 59 A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. Looking at how far pros hit their irons is a much easier task these days due to all the tracking technology that exists however it still does not make it an exact science. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. [/quote] When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. People that take hole distance & distance on approach to calculate driving distance is what's funny. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI 5 0 obj The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. I need to know few things before buying. Sorry for the ramble. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. the TrackMan numbers below. The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. Physics First. And that was 12 years ago. Impressive Combine Score by a 12 year old boy, How to maximize player performance with small changes. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. Playing golf as early as two-years-old, Justin learned all aspects of the game. 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? Scotty Squareback and Odyssey OG #7, Srixon ZX5 MKII Irons 4-PW Like New and a Titleist U505 4 Iron, OG Nike TW13 PING i59 irons Vessel Stand bag (trade). It's not the length that makes a pro. My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021), link to What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? Carry Efficiency 2.51 With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. Your email address will not be published. Callaway XR Pro (20) Diamana White 90X The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT Shafts: Nippon N.S. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. Ball Speed 176.38 All that strength comes from the lower body. Based on the Trackman, the fitter's recommendation was a 910 D3, 7.5 loft, and a Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X. As club speed increases, those golfers tend to have lower handicaps. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer [/quote] Made more swing improvement of late and starting to control my driver more. This put him near the bottom of the pack. Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. But mostly, when playing for the money, they dont. Also, the dispersion for misses will be much wider for the AMA than the professional. It's good for some laughs. Top 50 Player Guide. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. The Fairway Woods Used by the Top 100 PGA Tour Pros, What Irons Do the Pros Use? Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. Do you suppose my distance is bs? Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). 712u 3 Different pros however clearly hit their irons different distances but in the table below we have listed the stock yardages of some of the top pros, including Rory McIlroy, Dustin Johnson, Justin Thomas and Bryson DeChambeau, to let you see how they compare against the average. 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. Smash Factor 1.475 [/quote] This promotes a lower ball flight and is seen by tour players as being a more accurate shot than having the ball float into the air. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. Notice how few balls landed past the target.. I think the average student that I ask tells me that a tour player hits a 6 iron 220 yards. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. By funding programming and fulfilling requests of those in need, they are committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph. I don't measure my driver distance either. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. Carry Efficiency 2.51 However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. All rights reserved. also his AoD on the stinger. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Is it around 25-35% less then the AMA group? Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Dont think they ever release that stuff. There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Everyone has one. The Justin Thomas Foundation positively impacts children in need, junior golf, and military families with the intent of helping all achieve their full potential. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Justin is committed to showing benevolence and grace to children in need, with the goal of bolstering their confidence, strengthening their determination, and allowing them great possibilities. When you account for factors such as wind, elevation, ground conditions and also the context in which the shot is being played Koepka, like all the pros, has a number of options for each iron shot which makes the question of how far he hits each iron a bit more complex than at first you may think. I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? Ive played four rounds since reading this, and shot 81, 83, 79, and 78. First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. Firstly there is really no need to play an 8 iron that long, secondly why on earth would you play nothing but trap draws especially with short iron For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Pasted as rich text. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. Especially the average driving distance data. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. [/quote] If a 50% greens in regulation (GIR) stat was desired for the AMA, then the approach shot would need to be approximately 140 yards. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Analysis, What Clubs Do LPGA players use? No question - 100%. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. That's what I think. [/color] I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? That tells [/quote] A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. we never play for money. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball.
