Esp in 7mm-08. I think I will try to pick one up next week, in either a .308 or .300. If you had 1500-2500 just for one, which make would you drop that cash on? If I were buying a new hunting rifle today and I could drop $2,300, Id pick the Fierce Rogue with a steel action. The scope hasnt moved for years now and I have shot it quite a bit. Im down to the Savage 110 Ultralite and the Christensen Ridgeline. Length of Pull: 14 inches (adjustable with spacers) Thank you for your time and effort. I recently purchased a Franchi Momentum 300 win mag w/24 in. I am really interested in a waypoint. Love your reviews. Simply depress the rear of it while sliding the bolt out the back of the receiver. I have a Momentum elite varmint in 224 Valkyrie. JavaScript is disabled. I was really looking at the Waypoint before so would you recommend that now or another? Im in the market for my very first rifle and I have been eying up the Weatherby Vanguard ever since I saw you pick it. I expect to spend a few thousand or more to get what would meet my needs. All six chamberings available in U.S.-market Momentums come with a threaded barrel. As Im new to the shooting world Im still undecided on a long range target rifle. I am looking for a 6.5 creedmoor bolt action hunting rifle for our place in north central west Texas. Im looking at my first hunter and precision rifle that I can take to the range once a month and go on 2 or 3 hunting trips per year (pig/deer) mostly in California or surrounding states. Wish I discovered your content sooner and thankful for all your hard work. . love the mauser style trigger guard/magazine. Thanks for all of your vids and you helped me get my last two rifles with all the choices. If you want a wood stock, metal parts, and nice bluing, feel free to spend an extra $300 or more on a Ruger Hawkeye or similar. My personal Ruger American shoots 0.8 groups consistently. Just curious, have you had a chance to review the Benelli Lupo. Franchi, the well-known maker of fine and affordable shotguns, unveiled an updated bolt gun in its Momentum Elite. No, naturally I forgot to measure and I didnt keep the targets (estimating with the On Target app based on the dimensions of the ammo box, its about 0.45 MOA). Theres also the option of ordering that rifle with a Vortex Crossfire II scope on it. Id prefer 7mm-08, but 6.5 is the newest kid on the block. Im extremely satisfied with this rifle, for a hunting rifle. (Solid review on your part.). See also Gluck. RECENTLY SOLD View More Data . Both have cold hammer forged barrels 2. I use Swaro and Zeiss optics and i use moderators on all of mine. Thank you and keep up the great job! Best 5 shot group was .320 so I wouldnt knock the compass for a budget rifle. Great review. I had settled on this for my next rifle based on the Weatherguard coating, price and MOA accuracy guarantee but now it seems we may never see them. You know Beretta will not support either rifle. Well, I picked up a momentum elite in .308, and absolutely love it so far, still deciding on a scope to go on it, but cant wait to get to shooting it. If youre going to buy a Ruger American, know there are dozens of different configurations available. The new Elite versions now feature detachable box magazines, Cerakote metal finishes and stocks wearing popular camo patterns. Would you please review the a CZ 600 Alpha? I just want an all around deer rifle that is easy to find ammo for. Hey Jim, I would love to hear your imput on which rifle you prefer between the Ruger American, CVA Cascade, and the Winchester XPR. Yes your quite right on that and its sad that the majority of hunters never bother to educate themselves in regards to the plethora of 6.5 mm cartridges invented over the years. My search is with an elk/mule deer hunt in mind. Ive tried a lot of others, including Hornady PH (178gr I think) and Hornady Match 168 gr, and they are lucky to shoot 4 inch group with huge point of impact change. I do like the 300wm type power but its been a challenge researching top recommendations. have since restocked it with a B&C M40, and will use it for long range targets and steel. Everyone else says so but I figured Id ask. threaded barrel w/muzzle brake. Probably going to be the Waypoint. Releasing the floor plate of the 4-round, internal magazine is accomplished via a lever inside the front of the trigger guard. Stock: A carbon version of Bergaras excellent HMR stock. Interesting comparison. Style and Appearance * * * * In case anyone is wondering and didnt click the link, its available in 6.5Creedmore. The Bergara B14 Wilderness with adjustable cheek piece would be a great choice, as well as anything in the Bergara Premier Series. Jim, any thoughts on the Venture 2 from TC? superbly accurate with federal non-typical 150s (second load i tried). What are your thought on the Ruger precision? What do you think? What is your opinion on the Edge vs Rival? Another group was slightly more evenly distributed but similar in size. And dollar for dollar you could never purchase a rifle that guarantees you 1 moa back several years ago for the same relative cost. I recommend getting this Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor if youll be hunting deer-sized game (or smaller than deer), want to have tons of inexpensive ammo options, and if youll also be using it for target shooting. Id love to hear if the model 70 is still relevant. Phil. Christensen MPR The MPR looks fantastic, but I do feel like its a little bit of lipstick on a pig. But I cant understand why offering left handed guns seems impossible to some manufacturers. Really enjoy your content! Jim, Franchi, a 150-year-old shotgun manufacturer, clearly felt it was high time an affordable Italian hunting rifle hit U.S. shores. Hi Jim, Combing the interwebs just now I see other reviews reporting groups from 0.40 to 2 MOA depending on caliber and ammunition brand/load. Actually, I like it a lot. In the video below, I review the Fierce Rogue and show what I like/dislike about the Fierce Rogue. Jan 18, 2020 #3 C clockworkgator This post contains affiliate links to help monetize this site. Travis Skurray from Australia. Thanks. Its great out to about 400. Review: Franchi Momentum .308 Winchester. 3. and three-stage safety. Still, its the 2020 Waypoint in my opinion. Franchi Momentum Varmint Elite .224 Valkyrie 24" 1:7 Bbl TrueTimber Prairie/Midnight Bronze 7+1 Rifle 41712. Hold on to it. Have you considered the recently released rifles introduced by Franchi? First available in 1936 for Petes sake. I\m looking for a good \all around\ big game hunting rifle (elk, whitetail/mule deer, and antelope mostly). It is aggravating that the stock hugs the barrel on one side, but it doesnt contact on mine. To be clear, youll load the rifle from the top, pushing one round at a time down and into the internal magazine, and this function allows you to safely and easily unload the Momentum. Also 243win, 270 win, 300 win mag and 30-06. It would also handle bigger calibers MUCH better than the Cross. Its a good option for light cartridges, but the light weight and stock design dont make for a good match on heavy cartridges. I would love to get your take or even see a review on it. A 60 degree bolt lift that makes second fast shots from the shoulder a complete impossibility. I love that Fierce Reaper but would probably have to sell another nice gun to get it and not sure I quite want to do that. I own 30-06, i own a 300 win mag , now never pull anything out but the 300 win mag , it is a Browning A bolt with the belly clip , has the sweet spot muzzle break ,that takes care of half of the recoil and have the Remington butt pad . Fierce rifles are accurate, built well, look great, come with good triggers, and feed perfectly. Slim Fit Leather Jackets brings this iconic jacket from animation to reality, especially for all the fans of this video game. They are reviewing new rifles not old ones. Also, I think the X-Bolt Pro just isnt bringing enough to the table for doubling the price over a regular X-Bolt. I like the action of the Howa better but the Proof barrel on the Savage. As an Skandinavian hunter i must say we do have some different taste in rifles, and that is great. I have purchased about 12 different rifles in the sub-$500 price point over the last 3 years to test out for this review. I enjoy your videos on YouTube, very informative and you dont pull any punches, I like that. Would I buy this rifle? A hammer fudged junk barrel that was obviously used. Jim, Great content on both the website and on Youtube. So if you are shooting 300 win mag, will it throw inaccurate shots on the 3rd shot (or even the 2nd)? I dont own one. What r your thought for a high end choice up to around the 3k range? The Weatherby Vanguard Meateater edition comes with Cerakote, threaded barrel, stiff stock and a pretty decent 2 stage trigger. Bergara B14 Hunter? I dont think any mauser action rifles allow you to drop around in because of the claw extractor. The need for fast follow up shots, I know with practice a bolt action is fast, but I also dont want to break my right hand grip on the gun and trigger. It was raffled, gave winner 450 hoping to thrd and add brake but barrel too thin. Watch my review here. Thanks for your thoughts and time! I really like the stock design. Very accurate, handles recoil well, and easily in your price point with room to spare. Hey Jim, your videos are great not only on rifles, but optics too. Hi Jim, The Cross is great for 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC, but the stock just isnt suitable for heavy recoiling cartridges. Hear hear. Same for Austria and Glock. Action is very heavy and clunky. My mossberg patriot shoots like a custom rifle. Really enjoy your advice and reviews on guns and equipment, I appreciate your opinions. Are you familiar with this cartridge? 80lbs maybe. Thanks, Joe. Your email address will not be published. Gunwerks builds great guns, but I just dont see them as being THOUSANDS of dollars better than a Fierce, Weatherby, Seekins, etc. ISO: 20ga (semi-auto, sxs, and o/u in order of priority), Recommendation for a tarp for my pack - mostly going to use to put quarters on but, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. In todays market, it needs a more modern stock design, carbon barrel, and premium trigger to be worth the price they are asking. under 9 lb 7 mm or 300 w m. Jim, I know you are a fierce fan. Ruger precision is really heavy for hunting, but a cool rifle. I guess Im looking for an under 2K rifle chambered in a 300 win mag. Both the Momentum Elite and the newer Tikka Veil are . I\ve hunted since high school age but always small game/birds. Would love to know your thoughts on the Seekins Precision Havak PH2 rifles. Launched on the March 2018 cover of Guns & Ammo, the Momentum was actually Franchi's first rifle. Hello Jim, Its an EXCELLENT do-all caliber. I know I have expediencies it. I have been looking at the 6.8 western. With a typical retail price of $549, the Franchi Momentum is a lot of Italian hunting rifle for not a lot of cash. People harp on me for recommending the Weatherby Vanguard because its essentially the same thing as a Howa 1500, but costs more money. Theres something cool coming. Hey Jim, I think your doing an amazing job on bringing us unbiased information all hunting gear not just rifles. Ruger Americans are fantastic. The Momentum Elite comes with a detachable box-type magazine that holds three or four cartridges (depending on the caliber) for fast, safe and easy loading and unloading. Spacers are included for length of pull adjustment. In our testing, the Weatherby Vanguard shot the most accurately, although the difference between it, the Bergara and the Tikka was so small that I doubt we could call it statistically significant. Yeah, the Reaper is pretty awesome. I really don\\\t need an other gun, but what is the best 7mm Mag you suggest? As a matter of fact these days it usually sucks. Gun #: 932303293. But the chassis is the killer for me. It weighs a little heavy per the stats, Ill admit but at that price point, its very hard to ignore especially since lightweight after-market chassis can cost as much as the base model B-14, Rem 700, Tikka T3, etc. However, they really dont get enough attention from huntersmostly because they make few attempts to really stand out from the other rifles on the shelf. Seems like the bergara barrel profile would be better for larger cartridges. Theres also no shortage of cartridges that send a 6.5mm bullet at much higher velocities than the Swede so I have to assume by your metric those are all superior to the Swede? Also, the very aged sporter stock design doesnt lend itself well to shooting long rangeespecially in such a light rifle. Nor do my groups appear to be outliers for the Momentum. Frankly, I just dont see the value in the Werkman. (1) The Springfield 2020 Waypoint with a steel barrel, (2) You could wait a few months for the new Bergara B14 Squared Crest to come out, or (3) Get a Sig Cross. Ive been looking at the varment line in a 6.5 cm. I really like the trigger feel, but it is a little heavy. Im thinking a 6 creedmoore with a proof carbon barrel, MDT onyx chassis, timmey trigger but cant decide on the action. My main criteria is staying sub 6 lbs if I can for the rifle only and sub moa guarantee. Premium recoil pad, pic rail, fluted barrel, muzzle breakMOA guaranteed accuracy like the Tikka. I heard you mention a good handload that worked well with this 18\ barrel. I owned one and sold it. I just purchased a Rival this week. I was unaware of the QC issues with the Cross. Never spent over $500 before. I see that you really like the Savage, but I was wondering if you have shot the Howa? Ive shot heavier .308s with more felt recoil than this guy. Now they are North of $400. Hi Jim The action is a little sticky at the back because its a 2-lug so theres a little play at the back if you arent pushing straight. Looks great. For some unknown reason it really didnt like Gorillas super nice, match-grade ammo and that entirely unoffensive group above was really horrible by Franchi Momentum standards. Weighs under 6 lbs. The Sig Cross is the rifle that I have consistently used more than any other hunting rifle in my gun vault. Keep up the good work! Fastest/flattest 6.5 using 143 gun ELD-X bullets. There are so many other options to consider, but hopefully, that gives you a solid starting place if youre looking for a premium hunting rifle. Franchi talks up the ergonomics of the Momentum big time on their website. The rings are on a 30mm tube though, which has more surface area pressure from the rings to hold the scope in place. Jim, after watching the review of your Rival I wanted you to know I had the same problems with mine. Not many have been around since they are new this year. Thanks for the content you put out! I am going to buy one last hunting rifle eventually in 7mm or 7 PRC so I am watching CVA XT and Weatherby. The Tikka T3X Lite comes with an absolutely fantastic action. Advice? You might also consider a more traditional 7 Rem Mag or .30-06. And although most of my center fires are Deluxe grade, the aforementioned still holds true. Have you had any experience with the new fierce rage? Maybe not, but I have been caught in down pores and all the morons that were with me came back to the car with rust on their guns but not me. Its just tough to get excited about because it has no single stand-out feature. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. Keep up the good work! The molded-in checkering is clean and sharp but in no way uncomfortable. Luckily I was at a store on vacation that let me handle both. I think a majority of Americans know the old saying you just took a paragraph to explain. Moving back-to-front, things start out with a cushy rubber recoil pad. I was very impressed at the response I got from John and can tell you Fierce is a company that stands behind their products. The Vanguard does come in quite a few cartridges, but retail stores will only give them so many spots on the shelves, and since Weatherby is always pushing its own cartridges, its common to not find the chambering youre looking for without special ordering it. Why no ones talk about the sakos in the states?? I am looking to buy a Savage 110 Timberline in 300 win mag, what is opinion about it ? In regards to the Howa 1500 I got one in 300 PRC, it had a Houge stock, I installed a Bell & Carlson, put a Konos M30 on top and got a group the size of a 50 cent piece at a 100 yards. That one is on my radar and Id love to hear your thoughts on it. Its for my 3 teenage daughters (all first year deer tag draws) . Ive been pouring over your channels videos, and a lot of Ron Spomers content (as well as a few others for the past months). No doubt, it has s lot to offer. I am between a Bergara B-14 Hunter and the Weatherby Vanguard. I went ahead and ordered a scope today, I had a leupold vx5 3x15 and sent it back, and today I ordered a Burris Signature HD 3x15, so I will see how they compare. Thanks! You must log in or register to reply here. I appreciate the blunt honesty. Is it felt more? We have a complete post on the best rifles under $400 right here. Way sub-MOA. I think the rifle is feature rich and might be a real shooter. The Weatherby Vanguard threaded, Bergara B14, and Howa Carbon Stalker are all models Im researching more to try to come to a definitive decision. I would like a 280 Ackley and Fierce only makes it in the Rival. I\m a big fan of your videos and expertise. Great info on the ins and outs of shooting and the rifle reviews. Using Burris Zee rings, I just applied a thin layer of silicone sealant inside the rings and remounted the scope. Likely sub-half-MOA. I hear a lot of people liking the Seekins Havak, but it just hasnt grabbed me. Moreover, the firearm boasts an excellent light and smooth trigger. Im at a point that I can spend $1500+ for a hunting rifle. Thanks. I\ve been looking at a lot of your reviews and videos and am wondering if 7mm rem mag might be the best option for a cartridge. I will be hunting suppressed from now on and want to keep my rifle as short as possible. Thank you, October 15 2022 Christiansen Arms Traverse, 28 Nos. I owned one in .28 Nosler and it was a very poor choice for that heavy-recoiling of a cartridge. The barrel is cold hammer forged with rifling like the Sako (Tikka). With attitude like that, you will only buy domestic products and if leftists have their way, none. XBolt Pro is a good gun but needs a new trigger. Unfortunately, I cant weigh in on the Sauer 100 yet because I havent tried it. The forend felt fat and a bit chunky, and the detachable mag looks like it could get in the way when carrying, hunting, using rests, etc. A junk plasticky trigger guard, its enough to make you barf just looking at it. Im really interested in the Benelli Lupo, any chance your going to get your hands on one of those? Hello Jim, great article. Mine shoots 1/2 MOA with handloads, Available in: 6 Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .308 Win, Available in: 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .308 Win, 300 Win Mag. Optional Features TSA Recoil Pads TSA recoil pads for LOP adjustment. Italian? They seem to check a lot of the boxes Im looking in a rifle and seem to have a lot of bang for the buck for a rifle just over $500. 1 is the Footprint for the Action is proprietary, It is NOT made by Bergara. Im not the person I asked the question but I am also looking at one chambered and 308 and another shop down the road has a 30-06. However, Ruger American rifles are not perfect. I just dont shoot the Weatherby as well as I used to, and even reloading is expensive enough I dont do much plinking with it. Affordable? Stock: AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Hes not huge. Ill be curious to see them for myself, but Ive heard good things. I found barrel engraved with 6.5 Creedmore and read manual before use You have entered an incorrect email address! Savage, Tikka, Browning, Christensen- all offer LH options and should be commended for it. XPR has a great barrel (mine was very accurate), free floated; pretty smooth bolt/action for price; same trigger as M70; permacote is durable; stock is better than most in price range. I preferred the action on the FME a lil bit over the CVA, but I could not get over how every Franchi had stock contact somewhere along the barrel. Thanks so much, you guys are great! I like the reviews on the CVA but the Bergara is hard to beat, the Terrain Wilderness is the one Im leaning towards. Hello I love your videos and your reviews the only comment I have is that the savage 110 ultralite does not have the accustock. Ive been kicking around trying out the 28 Nosler just to pick up a bit more performance at 500+ ranges. Great rifle. and the weathermark? killed three whitetail with it this past season. Dumped lots of Deer, Black Bear and Moose with it. Made in Italy? You never mentioned. You know, turning ammo into noise kind of use. I know they are two different price points, but Id love to see a side by side comparison between the 2020 Waypoint and the Savage 110 Ultra Lite. Base Price: $789.99: Tax: - In Stock: kygunco.com Buy. The stock looks like a varmint/tactical/long range/hunting compromise, and may do those thing well, its just not what I was looking for. Meet the Franchi Momentum Bolt-Action Rifle. Any help deciding? Would like a rifle that print a sub MOA with factory ammo. There are quality inexpensive rifles being made, but if you step up into the $500-$1,000 price range, almost every option will shoot accurately and have more consistent quality control. Indeed, the Momentums bolt only travels 60 degrees from fully open to fully locked and vice-versa, whereas your typical 2-lug job requires a 90-degree throw. Its a good quality scope for shooting out to 300 yards but doesnt have adjustable turrets so if youll want to do some long-distance shooting, order it without a scope. An innovative modern design with folding buttstock, pistol grip. Its decent, but if you can possibly squeeze another $100 into your budget to get a version with Cerakote, get the CRKT version as itll be more durable in the woods. To wit: 1. Im giving the Momentum an extra star above average for the polished, fluted bolt and all the checkered ergonomic areas on the stock that fancy it up a bit. Magazine Comparison: The Browning X-Bolt features a 4 round detachable polymer rotary magazine. Regards kjetil A B Strandengen. HOWEVER, since recording that review Ive also had the opportunity to hunt a good bit. Havent shot it yet, but well see how it performs. Hi However, I kill a lot of elk where Im from, and my smaller 6.5s dont produce the knock down effect I had with the Weatherby. Vlad is typical progtard. I am a huge fan of their 1911s and know they are big into precision rifles. Not a Sako to be seen ? Been looking at the franchi momentum has anyone got this rifle ? With plain Jane 55 grain hornady soft points and max listed load of H4895, it shoots 1/4 to 3/8 at 100 yards if I lay off the coffee. I figured I could get an AR rifle with Sub MOA accuracy that could maybe hit 2 birds with 1 stone. It feels almost as rigid as concrete, and thats a good thing. I still love wood stocks. Ive got a lot of autoloader pistol and AR experience, but my only bolt action is an old Mosin Nagant. I have monkey arms so a new stock is in the future for whatever rifle I choose another reason Im trying to keep the price down. My brother and another buddy bought one (223 and 22-250) because mine shot so well and they had similar results. You should always spend your hard earned money on what *you* like, but the Franchi stock strikes me as an example of what the late Chuck Hawks called "Euro trash.". Its one of the best 3 out of 8 rifles we tested in this price range. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. It was made for them as a throw back to the Finbear (now Discontinued) Its chambered in 270. My 2 favorite calibers are 270( I have 6 of them) and 300H&H ( one pre 64 Winchester Model 70 and one Cooper). Thats a nice collection. Fierce Reaper I just love it so much. Franchi Momentum .350 Legend Threaded 24" Bbl FDE BA Rifle 41562. Dont get me wrong. So I do still think they have some QC issues to deal with. Honestly, you need to review one. Hey Jim, love your reviews and videos, just wondering when we might start seeing 7mm PRC rifles becoming more available in stores? Myself being a lefty, I have been on the hunt for a good rifle for midwest deer and western hunting in 6.5 PRC. I might add for a hunting rifle the 6.5 Swede is superior to the 6.5 Screedmore. Thanks for the videos, they have been great! If you are looking at that sub $1000 rifle check out the Bergara Wilderness Ridge (Mine was $850). Watch my review here. Hey Jim, Glad that rifle is a shooter. Im looking for an elk rifle. Great to see honest reviews that are very entertaining hope to see many more. And a nice walnut stock would have cost them a few more pennies to use. As did locking it. 1) the quality from rifle to rifle Its a well designed stock, but the fit and finish feels cheesyespecially the checkering pattern they use. Its the classic , its The One , its stood the test of time , its been around longer than the rest and will still be here long after these other rifles have fallen out of fashion. They need to get their stuff together first. Know it is not a bolt action rifle, but how does the Henry Long Ranger stack up against these options? I have been looking at the savage 110 ultralite 6.5 creedmoor. Im not sure why Bergarra and other premium manufacturers dont do this but Im sure theres a reason. Seems like a lot of bang for the buck. I have my moments of trigger snobbery, but if I owned a Momentum I wouldnt spend money seeking a trigger upgrade or smithing work. Im in love. But honestly these are not deal-breakers (or at least I think so). What ammo are you shooting in your cross? I got it in 6.5 creedmoor for deer hunting. I purchased a Stockys carbon stock for my Vanguard 6.5 PRC Meateater rifle and was able to shoot a suppressed 5 shot group at 100 yards that measured under 1/2 moa. Any thoughts? Looking for a good review of it after months of no Tikkas available locally in 308. Overall, if you forced me to pick a winner in this category, Id probably give it to the Springfield 2020 Waypoint. Thanks for such a speedy response. Id love to hear your thoughts on a modern option like the Extreme Weather SS MB. A little heavier than the cross but the little feedback Ive seen has been good. Push it flush with the inside of the trigger guard, and . Im holding my breath for the comments section on this post. Great choices, Andrew. All good options, but Id go with the Cross if youll be using it for any backcountry hunting. Again a super nice old world crafted gun anyone would be proud to own and show off to friends. I love it. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. I know you like the CVA Cascade, but there are 2 things very important to know about those! Thanks again and I look forward to future content. Even though Im happy with my decision, the Ultralite might have been the better way to go. Id also like to hear more about the threading on the various barrels and if they are suitable for use with a suppressor i.e. I have found a lot of draw backs such as a cramped magazine box that when I tried to seat bullets out there was no room in the magazine to do so therefore I had excess bullet jump into the throat of the barrel, especially older barrels with slightly eroded throats and not being able to seat the bullet out sometimes does not give you the best accuracy. Its become a turn off. Which leaves Winchester, Weatherby, Tikka/Sako. . NO, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Italy, F Franchi, and Baretta and their ilk. 1 Image (s) Franchi Momentum Elite 6.5 Creed Realtree Excape 24" TB Burnt Bronze 41606. In the end I still believe the 7mm RM is more versatile. I cannot give a better example than that. Italians know firearms and so do the Finns. My builder said (because of the bad Winchester brass) he would not recommend the 68 Western. I am from Canada- and watching your channel for quite a time. I also like the Fierce Reaper and the Sako S20 for heavy-recoiling cartridges. They will be on sale at cabelas this next week, and I havent heard that much about them. 2. have a metal finish at the trigger-guard, I can not find on your website. This gun is very accurate, has a great bump pad to absorb recoil (unlike most wood rifles) and has a threaded barrel for good measure. Performance is really good. I have a Sears gun with an FN Action and a deluxe hand checkered walnut stock (real hand checkering not junk machine cut checkering) in .270 caliber and I paid $300 for it used. A lot of older rifles are very superior to these entry level rifles. FRANCHI MOMENTUM ELITE 6.5 CREEDMOOR 24" 3RD BOLT RIFLE - REALTREE EXCAPE / BURNT BRONZE True Price: $ 813.69. Even on safe, the bolt can be manipulated to chamber or eject a round. Surprised you didnt mention anything about the Sako 85.