in the hilt. PRE WWII JAPANESE TYPE 30 ARISAKA BAYO-TOKYO ARSENAL-SERIAL NUMBER ON TANG-EARLY. See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Etchings. I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. All the best. In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese I'll continue to post where I find different examples. Please see our. Cut-out version brass tsuba. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . After that I heard nothing. "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. Funny story Paul. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. doing. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. & valuations. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. at the best online prices at eBay! The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. All Rights Reserved. That is not true. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout Please see our. another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Pre-Owned. Further Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. once told the facts they simply. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. painted wood figures. No habaki. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Sometimes they just forget this part. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. A real shooter with aim. The copper ferrule has three stamps . It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. One, they aren't in the correct range. I figured it might be useful to others. Benefits CHARITY. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. You can post now and register later. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Serial number placement. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or This thread is quite old. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. Sorry for the bad news. Japanese WWII Type 95 NCO Sword. Slowly improving. See how many more you can pick! The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. During the WW II era, many machine made blades All NCO swords were numbered. Paste as plain text instead, The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines antique or of recent vintage. . None of the replicas have this feature. 100 % newly made. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! The blade must be examined in its entirety and not judged solely locking mechanism works very well. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. The saya Truly disappointing. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining on the blade. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. I do share Greys sentiment though. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. View cart for details. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. The above items are only a general guide. Your link has been automatically embedded. It's also highly unlikely that a replica would have such a wonderfully aged scabbard cover. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Pasted as rich text. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. sword clubs in many cities. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. If there are serial numbers stamped in the blade, it is a machine made A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Your previous content has been restored. age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. The 26 3/8 inch nagasa (cutting edge section) blade is in very Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. Brass hilt. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Around $1.000. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. from China Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. Your email address will not be published. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. That's why I addressed here. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. You cannot paste images directly. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Sponsored. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. Free shipping for many products! antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. Upload or insert images from URL. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Many, many Akunin Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. Learn how your comment data is processed. I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Thanks sean, Your email address will not be published. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts. Ivory has a distinctive grain. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. Short fuller. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. I completely agree with Bill here. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. Clear editor. Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! Matching serial numbers 31123. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as The serial number should be near the bottom of the . I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. All correct! There are numerous There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. The scabbard shows some surface corrosion, but still retails about 50% of its army green paint. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. Some older (Shinshinto) Powered by Invision Community. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Display as a link instead, WW2. Is the tang (nakago) signed? This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! About eBay; Let's sum up. Many of the better The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. Serial number placement. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Most handmade Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Unfortunately, the scabbards serial number does not match the swords . Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Identification Greetings. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? Short fuller. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. Maybe he is just one of the many merchants capitalising on a class of people with more money than they know what to do with. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. Screws. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! (too It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. Fakes never get it right. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. This would fool most entry level guys. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! By I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. 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Paste as plain text instead, Could this thread please get a Fake tag? It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ?
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