So my final hunting setup only weighs 8 pounds, 8 ounces. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Super pressure, if you will. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high; it is also respected as a very accurate bullet. Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. Not so long ago, I shot a nice Montana bull from the top of a ridge, down onto a little bench at 350 yards, 180-grain .30-06. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. There are several more options if you purchase online or order your loads from a local store, but you should be aware that those who dont reload and purchase from local shops will likely not have many options. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. The 27 Nosler, like its counterparts across the family of Nosler cartridges, has raised the performance bar when it comes to the .277. It shoots a svelte .277-caliber 165-grain . buried one Winchester magnum and created another. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. This was and is one key to the .300 Win. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? Ammo is easier to find in a greater variety of bullet weights and styles, too. I am pretty certain that your ballistic table is incorrect, the energy and velocity column are identical for 200-1,000 yards and the two columns are flipped for 1,200 and 1,500 yards. And I write calibers and cartridges because caliber means the diameter of the bore. . Ditto rifle size. The "new" .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. To take advantage of the cartridge's MPBR (+/- 3"), sight-in the .28 Nosler 160 grain factory load to hit 2.39 inches high at 100 yards. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. Finally, the puny 6.8 SPC from Remington appeared about 2004. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. Mag. At 500 yds. But that doesnt mean we cant come up with other cartridges shooting .277-inch bullets. In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. Mag. Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. If recoil doesnt bother you, Id look hard at the .300 WSM, .325 WSM, even the new 6.8 Western, agonize over a 24-inch barrel, and probably compromise with a 23-inch barrel. And suddenly, in 2020, were getting two of them. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? Along with the .30-06 Springfield and .30-30 Winchester, these cartridges have anchored more deer than any others. Hornady Outfitter is pretty accurate and its less than its other Nosler cousins. Although Ive been shooting all my life, I have to mentally check my shoulder mount before I pull the trigger. will handle the .338 Win. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. Enjoy your videos very much. By the way, the .277 SIG Fury arose out of SIGs project to build a light, belt-fed .277 machine gun cartridge and rifle for the U.S. military. The .338 Win. The 190-gr. And then what will barrel life be like? Obviously, there is plenty of leeway in all of this, and personal biases can play a big role. A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. These days certain 6.5mms have been growing in popularity despite relatively light bullets and muzzle velocities well under 3,000 fps. Roughly equivalent to a . .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. Just make sure you have the best rifle for the terrain you intend to hunt. The problem with the medium magnums (over .30 and less than .375): There are few to choose from, and only the .338 is genuinely popular with a robust selection of loads. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. | Or even ten. Recoil is stout, but substantially less than any magnum .30. We've got you covered. .257 Roberts 7mm Weatherby Magnum.300 PRC .350 Rigby Magnum .450 Nitro Express .17 Hornet 7mm STW 6.8 Western .375 Ruger .223 Remington6.5x55 Swedish .416 Remington Magnum .300 Winchester Short Magnum 28 Nosler 6.5 PRC .22 WMR .458 Winchester Magnum .204 Ruger .22 Hornet .280 Ackley Improved .240 Weatherby Magnum .458 Lott.264 Winchester Magnum.348 Winchester.33 Nosler.260 Remington.30-30 Winchester.416 Rigby.358 Norma Magnum.22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. bullets coming soon like the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range just announced and the 170-grain Berger EOL Elite Hunter (G1 B.C. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Chambered in the .27 caliber 6.8 Western makes this a certain elk gun. How long of a barrel are you willing to carry? A traditional stock or adjustable? bullets, weight to weight, have a higher SD for potentially better penetration. This new 10mm from FN is rugged, versatile, and effective. But the .338 Win. but it is not a 1,000. yard Elk rifle it requires skill. Figure another 30 fps velocity increase for every inch of barrel added and a 24-inch launchpad should nudged that 140-grain to 3,240 fps. I warned you this is a big family. The conventional (and mostly misguided) wisdom is that an elk cartridge should have 1,500 foot pounds of energy at the distance from which you shoot. This point, however, brings up a problem with the .28 Nosler if you plan to shoot factory loads rather than reloading yourself. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. Mag. For general Big Game hunting, caliber and expected bullet performance is how I judge killing ability. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. Do you prefer a standard-length action or short? The axis doe was at the head of herd, and DonDonwho despite his initial impressions made an excellent guidesimply nudged with his bristled chin and said Two-fifty. The easier the terrain, the heavier the hunting rifle youll be able to tolerate. Clearly there is no one right answer. Will your favorite rifle brand and style be chambered in it? 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. Thats ok. Live and learn is a common aphorism for a reason. A year later, I couldnt be happier with my purchase. Throw the excellent 32 calibers into the mix, the .325 WSM and 8mm Rem. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets in .277, specifically designed for the 27 Noslers faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist rate. How much more, exactly? Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. A final consideration these days is availability of guns and ammo. worldwide popularity. Most hunters dont absolutely need such long, heavy bullets for effective performance at responsible game-taking distances, but beyond 300 yards they do flatten trajectories, minimize wind deflection, and maximize retained energy. Are you concerned about barrel life? Many an elk hunter has suggested the .300 Win. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler has an additional 800ft/lbs. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. Those are the two loads I keep seeing in my local Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Stated another way, its the .270s turn. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Benefits of the .28 Nosler. The distance does not matter. I do enjoy the videos and your enthusiasm in them. The Barnes penetrate . Old Elmer Keith back in the dark ages of the mid-20th century claimed the .270 Winchester was an adequate coyote round. By 600 yards that energy advantage will have dropped to just 180 ft-lb. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Hit an elk with a 175-gr. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. With these two cartridges coming on line, our .270 selection has just grown from four members to six: 6.8mm Remington SPC, .270 Winchester, .270 WSM, and .270 Wby. The newest addition announced at the 2020 SHOT Show is the 27 Nosler, which, as you might have guessed, is a .270 caliber. Jan 29, 2023 #2 Dang about a month ago shooters pro had blems for $16/25. With good form, a boat tail 225-grain .338 slug should rate a B.C. Elk carry enough venison on the hoof to suggest a big cartridge and big bullet. .662) already on dealer shelves. arrived in 1958 as a short magnum derived from the .375 H&H belted magnum case. Mag., .300 RUM, and .30-378 Wby. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. After those stalwarts comes a blizzard of .30-calibers that claw their way up the power scale. Ive had unsuccessful elk hunts, but Ive never lost a bull, so my choices have worked for me. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. Handloaders report optimum performance with a sleek, high B.C., 225-grain bullet pushed to an impressive 2,882 fps from a 24-inch barrel. Mag., and elk hardly know the difference. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. That said, dozens, nay hundreds of elk are layed low each fall by careful application of the 6.5 Creedmoor, a near ballistictwin of the Swede. Clearly that wont quite match the 27 Nosler, but thats not surprising because the .277 SIG Fury case is the same length and diameter as the .308 Winchester. The tighter the cover, the shorter the rifle. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. wheaties300 Well-Known Member. Certainly no flies on the .270 but that would sway it to the 28 for me. Any rifle/cartridge adequate for elk at long range is also adequate up close, but my concept of a thick-cover elk rifle uses a heavy, large-diameter bullet, without concern for flat trajectory or extreme velocity. 28. I have tremendous respect for elk. None require field artillery, but a mature Rocky Mountain bull might weigh 800-1000 pounds, four times the size of most mule deer bucks. Short in the Elvis era meant standard or 30/06 length: 3.340-inches overall cartridge length, down from the 3.6-inches of the parent cartridge. It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. The answer is higher allowed chamber pressure. I have shot most of my big game with a 270 Win or a 270 WSM. True. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . 1. At 300 yards that bullet should still carry nearly 2,700 ft-lb energy, which is close to what a 180-grain .308 Winchester coughs up at the muzzle. Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. This little brother to the .338 Win. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. You would get about 3,250 fps with the 26 Nosler with 140 grain bullets. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. Well, as the majority of us are primarily deer hunters, and the .270 Winchester handles deer and similar sized game so well, I dont think that will come to pass. The general consensus is that this old, belted magnum is the best caliber for elk hunting. Start with the .30/30 Winchester and climb until your nose bleeds. Mag. The partition has proven itself over the years to penetrate deep. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. This short-fat, looking remarkably similar to the 6.8 Western, adds around 200 fps to the best Creedmoor speeds, and that lets you shoot the same bullets with less drop, less wind deflection, and more energy on target. Because Winchester didnt insist on the caliber being proprietary, anyone could load and chamber for it. retains the title of best balanced elk caliber in it. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. That means less tracking of wounded game, which is all math thats sure to please any hunter. 180-gr. If I were planning a rifle elk hunt, these are cartridges and calibers I would consider, across the gamut of elk hunting conditions. Mag. This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . Question. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. slug from the .300 Win. The .280 Ackley Improved is hot these days, flying about 100 fps behind the 7mm Rem. And we dont mean the old .270 Winchester. So match your 7mm elk dreams to your recoil tolerance and select among this big family. Jim. Fear of recoil ruins the best laid plans of mice and men, and thats why choosing the best elk cartridge requires thorough research and honest assessment. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. The venerable .270 Winchester has been a mainstay on gun store racks, ammo displays and in reloaders cabinets for decades. Mag., 6.5 Weatherby RPM, 6.5-300 Wby. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. Before we begin, you should understand that this is a round up of the best calibers and cartridges for elk, not necessarily the most popular ones. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. Nosler, with the introduction of its fifth big-game centerfire cartridge, has changed the potential of the .277-inch bore diameter by tightening the twist rate to 1:8.5, and offering the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range as an option for those who appreciate the higher sectional density and ballistic coefficient. For elk, I would go with the 28. Performance improves. []. Bill Buckley. Guns. 6.5 Creedmoor. For starters, it burns more powder. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. The 225-grain load in an eight-pound rifle should generate about 40.8 ft-lb of recoil energy. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. Mag., some less. In eight-pound rifles, the 7mm Rem. As with any caliber, the lighter the bullet and lower the muzzle velocity, the easier the rifle is to handle and the closer you should get before taking your shot. While Elmer had his fans agreeing, the thorn in Elmers side, Jack OConnor, had his readers lapping up the .270 Winchester. The 28 Nosler and Remington Ultra Magnum adds about 250 fps to the Rem. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. It will work but a little much. Because of lower pressure and achieving full velocity with less powder, the .30-06 has less felt recoil than a 7mm Remington Magnum. If you like your hearing, on the other hand, shooting without a brake will kick hard. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Again, bullet weight. So, Nosler, a company rooted in tradition but also with an eye to cutting-edge performance, has now turned its attention to the .277 caliber and brought the loading possibilities into the modern era with the introduction of the 27 Nosler. Read Next: 10 Great Guns That We Wish Were Still Being Made. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. Flatter trajectories. Quite a few elk have fallen from the 117hh in a wsm at . My thoughts are this, the .25-calibers, limited to 120-grain bullets, are too light for bull elk. I further suspect, nay, predict no deer, elk, or bear addressed by any of these is going to like them. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler is 400fps faster than a 270 Win, and 300fps faster than a 270 WSM at the muzzle. Always, the idea is to hit a bull as well as you can, but you want to hit him hard. Most factory loads from a 24-inch barrel are rated 2,960 fps. 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. Read Next: Weird, Off-Beat, and Cool Guns and Gear from SHOT Show 2020. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years.
