When I bought my AMC Javelin/AMX 302(8:1 compression "smog motor") in the spring of 72, it came with hardened seats. It soaks into the carbon and eventually It is absolutely safe to use Marvel Mystery oil in your engine. For instance, if your engine requires 5 quarts of engine oil, use 4 quarts of oil and 1 quart of Mystery Oil. The 'lead replacement petrol' wasn't doing any good at all. Everyone must know about Mystery Oil. further need for TCP. Old standbys like Bardahl. Wether you use it right before a change, to replace a quart of oil, or just use it in the fuel tank is a matter of preference and I'm sure wont' hurt a thing used any of these ways. LRDaum. I thought I had successfully purged all that stuff from my brain like a bad dream. gallon of fuel (4 to 6 oz. Marvel tells you on the can how many ounces of mystery oil per gallon (s) of gas. blended with TEL. I have a rock on my desk that protects me from tiger attack, I haven't been attacked by a tiger, therefore it works! Marvel Mystery Oil and Lead substitute. The Seafoam on the other hand is a bit more expensive with its selling price of $6.97 for a 16oz bottle. Many believe that when used correctly, it can do good things in your cars. Hi Jim, You can use regular 2 cycle engine oil or even any light weight motor oil. After a highway run and cool down, I started the car and a carbon dome broke loose in the head and started bouncing about the cylinder for a few seconds. It's confusing. The says there were two 327 versions for trucks, one (185 hp) at 8.0:1 compression and another (225 hp) at 8.5:1 compression. AMC switched to induction hardened valve seats a little later then the other manufacturers. in crank case a week or two before oil change. So, whats the verdict? It does not mean that you need to cut the link with Seafoam . The quality of oils and the precise metering of fuel has nearly eliminated the varnish and gumming problems for cars driven under normal conditions. Remember too, This oil helps your car start more quickly in cold temperatures and keeps it running smoothly. Modern gas has lot more aromatic daisy chain hydrocarbons in it and a higher Reed vapor pressure. scavenge the lead from the fuel to keep lead from ever forming on vital Several old mechanics from the 1950's told me it was early auto transmission fluid with about 25% kerosene. sodly By TheTurtle March 3, 2018 in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models) Share More sharing options. Marvel Mystery Oil MM12R - 16 Fl Oz. Perhaps there is no consensus on this topic. But aviation fuel continued to contain lead, so the My experience with MMO.2007 Duramax diesel developed a knock that sounded almost as loud as a wrist pin going bad. You don't spill this stuff on your Never saw that before but was RPO ZL1. Spark plugs in cars can become stuck and difficult to remove over time. It will double the life of rings and valves. '04Ram,'99Plym.Van,"96Exploder,'79Dodge pickup, '71Jav. Marvel Mystery Oil was formulated shortly after World War I by an automotive engineer named Burt Pierce. So it must be scrubbing a bit of carbon off. Marvel MM13R Mystery Oil. It's all BS but it worked, and the unleaded was phased in over a period of years. The amount of TEL in the higher grade fuels has increased the This oil was very useful in older aircraft engines to scavenge lead deposits. I fitted another head which had good seats and valves, freshly out of the machine shop. When the Cub engines went down to idle speed in It was soon discovered that it resisted detonation also and was intsrumental in the developement of more powerefull aviation engines during WW1. By Tundra1, January 17, 2015 in General Discussion - Any topic is welcome here!!! but results is what really tells the tale. Moreover, this additive has the ability to dissolve and remove fuel residues from fuel injectors and carburetors. He explained why in a post on the Cub Builders mailing list, which I have adapted here with his permission. everyone was looking for a lead substitute in forum. I use Shaler Rislone oil treatment, which is green and therefore politically correct. N201MKTurbo. Marvel Mystery oil has been carefully designed with additional ingredients to help reduce oil consumption by preventing carbon build-up. More sharing options. THIS ELIMINATED THE VALVE TAP THAT HAD EXISTED PRIOR TO THIS WORK. I installed new pistons (and liners) and had that one seat cut and lapped in the valve. created during WWII because the cooler cylinders on the multi-row radial The octane is in how the fuel is refined and what "CUT" it is is. Unleaded fuel was a very hot topic in the mid 70's along with the unleaded only 1975 cars with catalytic converters. To mix with fuel, you put six ounces of additive for every 15 gallons of fuel. It is safe for catalytic converters if used according to directions on the bottle or can. I was more referring to the "sky is falling" warnings that were circulating when "leaded" fuel (not much lead left by then) finally disappeared. Paul the reason I said the middle 70's was because we all got concerned that the gov. because the gasoline comes from a region where ethanol is not used. The automotive gasoline option. Back in the late 1940s and early 1950s, at military air bases Using a top oil like Marvel is fine for keeping carbon buildup on the stems. This diesel fuel additive does not comply with the federal ultra low sulfur content requirements for use . I run this product in my 7.4 marine engine because I only get to run the boat one day out of the week, and marine engines are exposed to the salt air causing internal rust. Marvel oil is used in the gasoline of inboard and I/O engines as an upper cylinder lubricant, and to lubricate fuel system components,( especially the fuel injectors). recommend the procedure. Back then the thing from GMto watch for was "not available with C60 " that meant it was something special (not always in a good way but.) andoften with a grand or more option price (remember pricing a '69 Camaro when overseas. Unleaded was just coming in on the Australian market then and I was told it did the same. avoided in the smaller and older engines. Marvel mystery oil safe for modern engines? I know valve jobs were a common job for mechanics back in the 60's and early 70's, but for cleanup the valves and dealing withvalve guide wear. OR THE CROWING OF THE NOBLE COCK BENEVENTANO. know, so I called the 800 number on the side of the can. Marvel Mystery Oil can be used as a break-in oil rebuilt engines when recommended to use a very light weight oil for the first 500 miles. ATF will do the same thing inside the engine at a lower cost. Use the directions on the back for amount to put in the fuel per Marvel Mystery Oil is a product used to clean the fuel system of piston planes. More than that, he used it in the fuel with every fillup. 8 3. '66 SBCs ranged from a 195hp 283 2bbl (regular fuel) all the way to a 350 hp 327 with many stops in the middle (could get a 375 hp in 65). When Marvel Mystery oil is applied, it can dramatically slow down this process. that mechanic also told me that if I poured diesel fuel in the crankcase while the engine slowly idled, it would clean out the varnish and free up the oil passages. I forget the MIL spec number. We had charts that told us how many gallons of MMO to put in per Regarding the valves, the 1966 truck sales book says this: "Induction hardened exhaust valve seats. Oct 11, 2006 . I have also seen boaters with oil injected outboards run MMO in the fuel as an upper cylinder lubricant. 3. Low HP cars are doing these grades in low gears barely making 40MPH. Charles Kettering discovered that lead would boost octane in the 1930s, and it was cheap, plentiful, and easy to add to fuel so there it was. I don't think there Or is it not really noticeable? However, it turned out later on that the fears were overblown. | Reading Proust. Now driving a Peugeot 504 and frequently towing a trailer I had no problems, but I avoided unleaded. Burns Hotter of course, so what Plum says is true for both Marvel, or crankcase oil getting burned in a wore-out cylinder. In all parts of the world many high-spirited revolts from rascally despotisms had of late been knocked on the head; many dreadful casualties, by locomotive and steamer, had likewise knocked hundreds of high-spirited travelers on the head (I lost a dear friend in one of them); my own private affairs were also full of despotisms . powder. Won't hurt but you don't need it. OKthis is to settle a bet. It's illegal to use on a public road for the second time! The pickup is driven sparingly, just a few hundred miles per year, if that. The customer rating for Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) is 4.7 out of 5 stars. experience with mogas and, finally, by an email from Terry Lutz, expanding If you're only driving it a few hundred miles a year, it'll outlast your great-great-grandchildren. They also got mogas STCs for the airport's fleet of Cubs and other This also will help your vehicle easily start from sub-zero temperatures. the formula for TCP and used it for years in car gas, which was also It is great for old,abused and sludged up engines. The exhaust valve must have been stuck before I sprayed the MMO. The lead subs. The metal parts of your engine rust over time and eventually fail. If used properly, there are no harmful side effects of using Marvel Mystery oil at every fill-up. Do not worry yourself into an early grave. Sign up for a new account in our community. But how does it work? They did not live very long. While dibromoethane was added to leaded gas to do the same, some lead oxide did stay in the engine. If screen type system, be sure to clean screen. Three grand for the car and three grand for the engine. That fourth tank however, you will still have the spark plug Sometime they do, and other times that's the last you hear.) Is Marvel Mystery Oil good or bad for your car? But, it will reduce friction making your engine easier to start and run smoother and may even pick up a little extra gas mileage. I don't see any pickle. 2-3 ounces per 10 gallons is enough. And the mogas smelled! This cleans the carbon and sludge collected in The mileage appears to be 34,000. Informacin detallada del sitio web y la empresa: labonneoccase.com, +49803921568627 LA BONNE OCCASE - Vente d'lectromnager d'occasion et neuf avec dfaut d'aspect The You don't need it, but if you trust your mechanic then there's no harm. I Then, it fortifies the oil coating, preventing rust from forming inside your engine. He then explained that some 'lead replacement petrol', because of the additives they were using in it, grew a fungus in it which coated the tin pellets in the canister and prevented the leaching. Detroit girl, 11, is left with brain trauma and staples in her head after child abuser teacher threw metal hockey stick at her. It can scare you, though. A quart of MMO in the oil will help clean up a sludged up engine and free up piston rings that are stuck in the piston grooves due to gum and varnish. Marvel reduces and prevents varnish and . TEL had been identified chemically in the mid-19th century, but its antiknock effectiveness was discovered in 1921 by the General Motors research laboratory, which had spent several years attempting to find an additive that was both highly effective and inexpensive. them my engine had quit and would they please send someone out to give me And the mineral spirits burns rather cleanly. . The customer rating for Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) is 4.7 out of 5 stars. Finally I took off the spark plug and sprayed MMO into the hole at what appeared to be the exhaust valve. They have quarts of Marvel mystery oil for about $2.00 each. Besides, Marvel Mystery oil should be applied to your motor oil at every oil change. i have a 2001 astro van 6 cylinder vortec with 250thou on it.. i bought it a year old .. an runs like a spanked race horse.. use marvel EVERY fill up.. no knocks an pings ,, just flat out gets it..and with this gas today ,, corn gas junk,, you better use something for to help.. its the engine destroyer..i even use a 1/2 quart in my oil at oil changes.. Nice i really enjoyed reading your blogs. It's mostly mineralspirits with some light oil, red die and fragrance added. Don't think adding a top oil in the right ratio can do anything to hurt an engine/fuel system. Most gas has about 10 to 15% these days.E-85 has as much as 85 % ethanol, but out west here it's more like e-40 or 50 . The thing is, most old engines have been rebuilt with hardened valve seats. I have been driving a 10.25 compression ratio 401 Buick for the last 15 years on regular pump gas. erosion incidents, reported on some lower compression engines. methanol - a "drying agent", I use alcohols to clean the greases, dirts, oils, such off machines used around fabric as they clean well, leave no real residue, remove all traces of oil or grease and don't transfer anything to the fabrics. Car was his first love and passion. This can help him share his expertise and experience with others and learn more from them. Robert Parker uses Marvel Mystery Oil to reduce the buildup of lead from 100LL. by the five-gallon jug to use in my lawnmower, chainsaw, and snowblower. In the late 60's and early 70's we were assured that leaded fuel would be available of our older cars. The lead does not remain in the engine, and can't build up on I have never had issues with even square port heads with valve recession and I rag the heck out of my cars and used to cruise around the desert at 120 M.P.H. What's Customers Say About Marvel Mystery Oil. thanksStan. As Matt said it may not be necessary but doesn't hurt. Also the single quad L88 at 430 hp and the pundits top tripower at 435. The truck is strong as new. The verdict on Marvel Mystery Oil is that its a great product with many benefits. I sometimes add twice that proportion to help with starting to cleanup any gunk in the fuel system and rings while running a car that has sat for a long time and there's no trace of smoky exhaust. Go to your local race track with a 5 gallon can and buy some 110 or 120 leaded race gas from the guy that has some barrels in his pick up somewhere in the pits.. $10 - $15 per gallon. Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by lucky6600, Dec 1, 2010. MMO is basicly automotive ATF. Your donations help keep this valuable resource free and growing. You have a RPM drop that is excessive, and run the engine You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. I use it at every oil change to replace one quart of new oil and use it regulary in my fuel tank. a prop? There's plenty of anecdotal evidence for additives and mystery ingredients, but anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Sign in or register to get started. Keep on posting. However, nowhere on their website, nor in any information I have seen, is the claim that it can replace lead substitutes. Genesis 1:1-5, 26-31 I Corinthians 8:1-6 John 1; 8; 14 Colossians 1; 2 Sale. I am no idiot, I have had the experience and it was a properly measured and documented approach I took. Regular use can improve fuel economy. So I guess the question comes down like this: sebastian seymour, lord seymour normal drop. Anyone who has used them knows they work and has had a good experience with them. Born in Chicago in 1923, Marvel Mystery Oil was developed to combat deposits on carburetors caused by poorly refined gasoline of the age. This MMO received a lot of good comments from users. What about the ones that haven't? in the bottom of the oil kidney. Or did you purchase a vehicle in January and feel lucky you locked it in before prices rose higher through February? through directly through the carburetor while the engine is running. Marvel Mystery Oil can be used to keep the fuel system clean. It was very popular back before detergent motor oil was invented. Hard seats are added to earlier heads by machining out the old seats and installing an insert. the fourth is a tank of av-gas (100LL) Either of these work OK. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > lucky6600, Dec 1, 2010 #1. lucky6600 Long timer. Each exhaust valve required adjusting after that time, about 0.015" on every single one of them. lead build up and fouling of spark plugs, along with valve It's more cleaner than oil. This improves your gas mileage by increasing the . Ortho Dichlorobenzene, a softening and removing agent for carbon-based contamination on metal surfaces, 0.1-1.0%[2] Therefore, carbon deposits can be broken down and dissolved with the use of this oil additive. Sorry if this has been discussed before (I know it has been). One website has listed Marvel Mystery oil, 3 in 1 oil, and mineral oil as good substitutes basically because they are cheaper than sewing machine oil. At the temperatures found in the combustion chamber of a cylinder, MM oil will be vaporized. Seafoam charges almost double the price of Marvel Mystery. As a moderately priced precaution, I add 4 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil, and 1 oz of Alemite CD-2 for each 10 gallons of gas. I can build an engine, but, I can't drain oil without a mess. For a 400 Pontiac I like the 6X heads - hardened seats and more manifold bolts. Great stuff and recommended by a mechanic. This oil helps to prevent bad gas millage by removing fuel residues from fuel injectors and carburetors, lubricating and cleaning pistons, intake valves, and cylinders, and eliminating fuel residues in fuel injectors and carburetors. Some people swear by it, some people swear at it, He also loves making connections and friends in the automotive industry. It was going to be extraordinarily expensive to do it all at once, changing tanks, pumps, and refineries, so they convinced the government that there were all these poor schlubs out there whose cars were going to self-destruct without the "cushioning effect" of the precious lead. Others argue that its actually bad for your car and can damage the parts over time. Made an exceptional difference on a 4.3L GM engine with 40K of mostly in town driving. Joined: Feb 27, 2010 Oddometer: 2,245 Location: CT USA. Cleaning firearms with Marvel Mystery Oil? I make no claims about their octane-improving qualities, but for valve seat recession they are a quick bolt on that can be moved from car to car and definitely work. This was a hot topic in the late 80s and early 90s. See Also: Lucas Vs Seafoam: Head-To-Head Comparison. can put mo-gas in the tank 75% (TEL 0.002 ml) and 25% av-gas The good of E-85 is it's 105 octane, the bad is the ethanol you have the lower your gas mileage gets. If not removed, these carbons might cause engine damage. No matter how many times it's beat over the head, it keeps coming back to life . I wouldn't call Marvel Mystery oil a "lead additive." Some people say its great because it helps clean your engine and keep everything running smoothly. Marvel mystery oil,the idea behind it was and still is,it is basically a cleaner,it removes sludge from lifters and helps to soften the carbon built up between the rings.We used to use a quart of. If you have not had your valve seats replaced with hard seats, a lead substitute is a must. The Marvel Mystery is more friendly in the budget since you can buy larger quantities at a lower price. Are you currently in the car market and getting discouraged by high prices? Therefore, important engine components will not be adequately lubricated. I have had issues with a lot of chevies after a valve job took the crappy induction hardenning away. Bob's article is followed by an email I received from Terry Lutz, expanding on Marvel and the alternative TCP. nauseous each time he gave a lesson. A mechanic saw me doing that, picked up his jaw, and told me to use MMO in the oil. He demonstrated by dipping his finger in it and in 5 seconds it had evaporated and left his fingerprint white. I use marvel mystery oil in my 2003 f150 Ford pickup and am extremely pleased with it , I have used Lucas fuel injector cleaner before and its a real good cleaner and additive but seems like marvel mystery oil may give me better fuel economy and it seems like my truck runs better on it MMO than Lucas, I have read that these later model engines dont need this put in the gasoline due to nature of fuel injection systems and some mechanics ie Scotty Kilmer for one, does not recommend it. It's your money. Are available for most engines now and should be considered whenever a head come off. reserved. Not to be confused with the Benzites, eh, Ms. Edmonds? Websites 1997-2019 Daniel Ford; all rights Deutsch; English; Franais; Portugus Mystery Oil is a top cylinder There Drive it as it is, put regular gas in it and stop worrying. I don't think I've seen so many responses so quickly to a post before. Many believe that when used correctly, it can do good things in your cars. When winter is over your engine will be thanking you as the life of your car continues to extend. I have driven my Pontiac daily for 59 years, putting 400,000+ miles on a 99,000 mile vehicle. If you drove 100 k miles a year at full throttle then I would say you need hard valve seats, and you do not! Smokes like late freight or a Ridley Scott film. For years this guy believed that Marvel Mystery Oil (with the pepperminty smell) was the hot setup for mixing with gas in his old 4-strokes. I just knew I had thrown a rod! The kerosene was what made it effective with the first hydraulic valve lifters . It is difficult to pick a winner amongst these two products. So it seems that the residual lead on the seats from beforehand had continued to provide protection, but once cleaned off by cutting the seats valve seat recession commenced. Understanding that the various brands of what I call 'tin canisters, which are marketed under many names, worked to save valve seats by leaching tin into the fuel, I ordered one. Use non-ethanol if it is available. Think about the whole scenerio . But they're better at protecting their manufacturers from bankruptcy than they are at doing anything significant for your engine's long-term health. I think the term upper cylinder means to lubricate the moving valve stems with in the guides. You Para Dichlorobenzene, a precursor used in the production of chemically and thermally resistant polymers, <0.1%[2]. Dan Ford, Other websites: Jul 14, 2017. There is a bromide chemical in 100LL that is supposed to keep the It has everything it it your engine needs. on Marvel and its alternative, TCP. Last edited: Mar 24, 2011 My wife said no FJ! As a result, your oil will be unable to efficiently lubricate your engine. A nice fellow combustion, there is a chemical reaction between TCP and the lead in the Product description. about sixty miles from Portland, Maine, which happens to be the port where Further proof came when I had my next experience. Many are getting 400k out of these truck easily. 3/ When Should You Use Marvel Mystery Oil? my great uncle was a ww 2 army air corp airplane mechanic .. he swore by the stuff .. he put marvel in everything that ran on fuel.. he instilled his great wisdom to me an so do i.. weedwackers , mowers, scooters, outboards , an vehicles they all get marvel in the fuel ,, an in the oil crankcase for 4 cycle engines.. 2 cycle / 4 cycle ,, they all get treated every fill up .. just the other day ,, pulled the 3 plugs from my 40 hp 2 cycle outboard an the porcelain was brand new white.. an i ran them all summer since spring .. anyway,, this stuff works .. and what else is on the shelf in the auto department thats been around for a 100 years..!! The original oil enhancer AND fuel treatment cleans the engine from the inside out, increases fuel economy, and protects against temperature extremes. a considerable taxi to get there, and you are running straight Not sure if still available but have a few years supply. Gas was unleaded until compression ratios started going up in the '50s. EAA has an answer, after 5 different people and Aluminized valve faces on the 283 engine with applications in the 50 series trucks slow the formation of deposits, keep valves cleaner and longer-lived.
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